Curse

Strong Fist · Aug 05, 2005, 05:14 PM // 17:14

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Originally Posted by Tyrent Frath

economy fluctuates a lot, but it adds realism to the game. I think its a good thing.

Definitley not a good thing. And it fluctuates way too much. Yesterday morning at 11am sup. monk runes were starting to reach 20k. Today 11am, sup. monk runes 40-55k, and rising.

stumpy · Aug 05, 2005, 05:15 PM // 17:15

yeah ... and we got 1 weekend to farm them before they do anything about it so (steps outta the underworld where farming is costing me 1 plat on entrance)

Diomedes · Aug 05, 2005, 05:19 PM // 17:19

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Definitely not a good thing. And it fluctuates way too much. Yesterday morning at 11am sup. monk runes were starting to reach 20k. Today 11am, sup. monk runes 40-55k, and rising.

While your post does summarize what's happening in the game, it fails to establish that this observed behavior is either (a) not a good thing or (b) that prices fluctuate too much. Discussing either of these ideas involves establishing a criteria. I posted just a little while ago (#17) that some people (like my wife) enjoy the challenge of trading. Xellos posted that this is a form of using skills in the game (#14). Hence I established that I liked it since it brought enjoyment to some and Xellos mentioned he liked it since it involved skill. Perhaps if your argument included some criteria it might generate productive discussion.

-Diomedes

Drakron · Aug 05, 2005, 05:24 PM // 17:24

I think prices are too low ... runes need to reach the 100k mark (to buy, the trader sould only offer 25 gp for it) and so sould rare materials (with materials being around 1 k for unit).

Xonic · Aug 05, 2005, 05:28 PM // 17:28

google stock is getting out of hand too...

I should have bought a lot of google stock when it was still cheap

the Fed needs to nerf google, or at least put a price cap on their stocks. it's outragoues

wiz12268 · Aug 05, 2005, 05:29 PM // 17:29

I saw them sometime early in the morning Thursday 2-3 AM back down into the 9-11K range. Heal had dropped from 37 k to 10800 or so. I figured people were not doing well or saw how they could make money when they were hi and sold back. So I was very surpised when I looked yesterday afternoon and saw 40s & 50s per. That is why I thought about salvaging and selling. I found 2 of the four in my first armor. And I bought the 4 for the other set when the traders first came out and runes were uber cheap (except for sup vigor and major absorb). So I might have 2000-3000 in all six runes I bought. I think I bought the other two off players (ided) for 500-750 gold per, can't remember now been a couple months. But not a bad return.

Pinch · Aug 05, 2005, 06:13 PM // 18:13

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Originally Posted by Drakron

I think prices are too low ... runes need to reach the 100k mark (to buy, the trader sould only offer 25 gp for it) and so sould rare materials (with materials being around 1 k for unit).

Making prices that high means you'll HAVE to grind if you want anything, even if you are casual. Want that 1.5k armor in droknar's? Oh wait, you're 50k short.

ComMan · Aug 05, 2005, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by Tyrent Frath

economy fluctuates a lot, but it adds realism to the game. I think its a good thing.

Because I care about realism in an RPG where my wizard fights minotaurs in the underworld. Right.

I know I'm having fun knowing that I have to farm 5K for a something that somebody else payed 200g for yesterday. Thanks a bunch realism, I appreciate it.

firstwave · Aug 05, 2005, 06:25 PM // 18:25

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Originally Posted by ComMan

Because I care about realism in an RPG where my wizard fights minotaurs in the underworld. Right.

I know I'm having fun knowing that I have to farm 5K for a something that somebody else payed 200g for yesterday. Thanks a bunch realism, I appreciate it.

Supply and Demand. I bought all the monk runes when they were 10kish each and I basically spend over 80k on my monk and guess what? It was a very good decision because I have over 200k now and I don't even farm that much. It is all about decision, risk taking etc. I knew monk runes would continue to increase so I bought them. If you made a bad decision or wasn't up to date with farming techniques, you have only yourself to blame.

EmperorTippy · Aug 05, 2005, 06:47 PM // 18:47

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Originally Posted by Gedscho

lol i am SO STUPID

i noticed al lot of people getting interested in that low health monk farming thing... I should have known that the sup prices will skyrocket....

WHY DIDNT I BUY THEM IN ADVANCE TO MAKE A FAT PROFIT *cry*

I did

Netted me over 500K. Buy a whole set for 700 gold sell that whole set for over 80K. It was quite nice. Besides you don't need to buy them for PvP and the price will eventually come down so don't worry.

Drakron · Aug 05, 2005, 06:55 PM // 18:55

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Originally Posted by Pinch

Making prices that high means you'll HAVE to grind if you want anything, even if you are casual. Want that 1.5k armor in droknar's? Oh wait, you're 50k short.

My point, if the economy because that insane they have to change the entire economical design if the game that have shown again and again that does not very well.

Xonic · Aug 05, 2005, 07:10 PM // 19:10

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Originally Posted by ComMan

I know I'm having fun knowing that I have to farm 5K for a something that somebody else payed 200g for yesterday. Thanks a bunch realism, I appreciate it.

Do you also blame Bush that you have to pay 3 times as much for google stock today than the guy who's traded-in few months ago?

I know Bush is to blame for a lot of things, but this may not be one of it, unfortunately.

Dwiggit · Aug 05, 2005, 07:12 PM // 19:12

I am actually enjoying the emergence of the game economy. The fluctuating prices follow some basic laws of supply and demand. The economy does seem a little wild right now, but it will correct like the real-life stock market does.

It's a science/art to predicting what will rise and fall in price. I know I've said of many types of stock, "I should have bought stock in Microsoft", but I just didn't have the knowledge beforehand.

I don't really do farming, but I do pick a few gems on my ventures into the wilderness. I just hold on to them until the price is favorable and then sell them. For example, last night my Necro/Ele finally made it to Droknars... time to buy new armor! Unfortunately, I only had about 4K available. I checked out the prices of few things that I might want to sell to get an idea of a good going price. I sold 2 superior monk runes (protection and smiting) and some black dye and made a totoal of about 55K. I now had plenty of money to buy materials and my armor!

Now today I hear that I can sell those runes for ~40K each! Oh well... such is the economy! I still got the equipment I needed!

So just sit back and enjoy the economy! It's fun to watch!

Dwig

Teh Azman · Aug 05, 2005, 07:54 PM // 19:54

Honestly, I'm liking this. I figured out how to solo the UW before everyone knew about it, and I WASN'T one of the leaks. I stopped after maybe 2 runs because I figured it was an exploit and told nobody, I also bought all my 105 HP farming monk's runes when they were 1k-5k each. Now when I get close to the point when I can buy my Necro's fissure armor, I plan to salvage them out of my monk's armor, and make 250k or more off of them.

Good luck to you who are having trouble with this, long as I still make my 250k :P

Mistriss Of Darkness · Aug 05, 2005, 09:29 PM // 21:29

Supply and demand is one thing. But the increase in prices over such a short time is not very beneficial IMO. I understand that it's basic economics for prices to jump when there is a huge demand. However, prices in the real world don't usually double from day to day (for the most part). How would the economy be if gas prices were 2.00 a gallon one day, next day 4, then 8? They should build the algorithm to limit the price increase.

Xonic · Aug 05, 2005, 09:37 PM // 21:37

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Originally Posted by Mistriss Of Darkness

Supply and demand is one thing. But the increase in prices over such a short time is not very beneficial IMO. I understand that it's basic economics for prices to jump when there is a huge demand. However, prices in the real world don't usually double from day to day (for the most part). How would the economy be if gas prices were 2.00 a gallon one day, next day 4, then 8? They should build the algorithm to limit the price increase.

then it's not a free market anymore

madness2k4 · Aug 05, 2005, 09:38 PM // 21:38

As some people said about farming uw which caused the monk superior rune price shot up. I don't want to go off topic but farming uw eventually anet is gonna hit uw drop rate even harder and turn the place not worth visiting. If I was the developer I'd put a check for party size to stop anyone that is less than 6 or somewhere about there top stop people farming uw and this can also apply in fow and in trade to that and have the drop rate back up. All the minor rune prices for all profession is going up. This economy is just too messed up. Yes we know it adds realism to the game like someone said in one of the post but it just getting too much out of hand. This is just like in real world, lets say if you wanna 1 apple and its cost $10 or £10 or €10 would you consider buying it? You would think to yourself that the economy in that country is "too" messed up.

Xonic · Aug 05, 2005, 09:46 PM // 21:46

The thing is, do we NEED to buy that apple NOW? can we not fuction without that apple this minute?

if the local supermarket is charging $10 per apple, I would laugh, go home and check back a few days later. In the mean time, I'll just eat orange.

Racthoh · Aug 06, 2005, 04:05 AM // 04:05

Eh, the price you pay to be the class that everyone wants in their group.

Superior absorption are 90k+ and there are a lot of warriors as we know. Every warrior is going to want one unlike the monk runes. I'd say an average player would buy 2 monk runes tops. 3 Would make you far too weak unless you actually know what you're doing.

Night Daftshadow · Aug 06, 2005, 04:27 AM // 04:27

i like how these superior monk runes are +40k. yesterday i found a superior healing prayers and sold it for 35k. now, the minor warrior runes are starting to go up. the other day, i saw the minor strength go for about 10k at the trader. and it's minor only!!!